I want to join the big boys--let's talk about WELDERS

[Turtle Tedd]

on the other hand to much penetration..to much heat in the welded joint is not a good thing..above post is right 38years and still learning..thats why its called practicing the trade..again I say stay away from the gasless mig machines

[KeepOnKeepnOn]

Anybody reading this who does not own a welder should go get one. I bought a "broken" mig on ebay for $50. A little slag had got on the tip so it could not feed wire, I cleaned it and good to go. You need a grinder, glooves and a full face shield (not goggles). It will open up a whole new world. Mine is the flux core type, yeah it smokes and leaves slag but hey I'm welding capable, if it's all you can afford do it. You will not regret it, theres so many things that are fixable now.